In part 2 of Rachel’s sit-down with Dr. Yuval Laor, the two discuss the various types of awe experiences, including celebrity, crowd dynamics, political power, beauty, high levels of skill, traumatic stress, moral virtue and the vastness of the unknown. These moments are taken advantage of by cults and manipulators to break down and control victims.

Plus: A story of a dangerous encounter Rachel had with a teenage Scientologist in trance-like state.

What do you think about this interview? Do you agree? Do you have a story about fervor that you’d like to share? We’d love to hear from you!